There seems to be a great deal of people all for the upcoming changes that are hitting in 1.3.6. I am greatly excited about it as well, but I have 2 major concerns that don’t seem to be shared. They both are around centered about what is considered being counted in the RvR Lake.
1) The War Against Mailbox Camping
2) The War Against Mindless Zerging
We want to stop both. The two actions that are proposed to be taken in 1.3.6, I don’t think will help.
Currently, to receive zone lock rewards you need to be in the zone for the lock. If not granting massive rewards for helping in the capture of objectives wasn’t enough, Mythic is going to be changing the zone lock requirement to only be granted to those within the Lake or for those that recently died within 5 minutes of being in the Lake as long as you are in the right pairing or associated pairing’s SC at the time of the flip.
So … where does the Lake start? Oh yeah, right when you start counting down to be flagged for RvR.
Where’s that? Oh right, that’s right in the protection of camp guards.
So are you going to stop free renowners? Nope. You are simply moving the mailbox campers 25 feet.
“How’s the mailbox guys?”
“I don’t know, but the guards are safe.”
And then, even if you then extend the Lake zone to not start until way past the camp; any lazy renown whore is just going to go run PVE to a safe area in the RvR lake. As long as you give Renown for a zone lock, whores will be there. The hope is that you can turn an idiot into tactical machine. It’s not going to happen. You aren’t going to force mailbox campers to suddenly go, “I think I’ll go to a BO and intelligently stand guard at attention for 30 minutes and play like a pro.”
To think everyone at a BO is paying attention is also a fallacy. They just are another step above mailbox campers, only because they just know there is a defense tick at zone lock if you are on a BO when it flips. Why anyone even sits at the mailbox is mind-boggling to me. You almost want to tell them how newbish they are being about the newbish renown gaining. Most BO campers are AFK as well as their lesser mailbox camper cousins. You can’t force a drooling idiot to play better. Just because they aren’t standing in front of the mailbox, doesn’t mean they aren’t a useless waste of space somewhere else. Only now, they’ll just be more renown for your enemy, when they come rolling into your BO with a melee/bomb train for that upcoming AAO feature.
After Posting Edit:
I realized that I didn’t really conclude my point after reading some comments.
Basically, my point is, that trying to stop someone from mooching off such a small thing is basically pointless in itself. Not only is the idea to think that mailbox campers aren’t just going to come up with another convienent way to get a free 4K in renown pointless, but the fact that it bothers anyone is rather pointless as well. It’s not a pool of renown, they aren’t stealing anything from you. If you think that they’ll come out to the lake and help after this patch, then you are wrong. These people are either eating, taking a massive shit, taking a break while afk, or simply standing there while in and out of SCs. If you deny them any reward for standing there, they just won’t be in the zone. They aren’t now going to come to help you in the lake, they are taking a shit. You didn’t lose the flip because 20 people were standing by the mailbox. You lost the flip to being outnumbered, outgunned, outcoordinated, outattentioned, or outorganized. No matter the incentive, the disincentive or pentalty, those mailbox campers can’t be forced to help you flip.
Making it so that they have to come a couple feet into the lake to get the tick really solves nothing. If anything it hurts you, because it gives more renown to possible AAO attacks. That’s my point, that one: it solves nothing, two: it shouldn’t bother you. 4K for standing still for an hour is basically a toss in the bucket. If 4K in an hour is considered a big renown intake rate to you, then I suggest finding a good mentor, you are doing it wrong.